Showing posts with label environmentalism. Show all posts
Showing posts with label environmentalism. Show all posts

Thursday, February 01, 2024

It's secularists vs all others on taking climate change seriously

Don't let anybody tell you it's fundagelical Christians vs other Christians. Not even scholar of religion Ryan Burge. 

Don't let him, or even more, #BlueAnon Dems, riffing on him, tell you it's Democrats vs. Republicans.

Burge's own data refutes him. 

At a recent Roaming Charges for Counterpunch, Jeff St. Clair confirmed, with link to the original AP, that it's not Democrats vs Republicans.
Americans are less convinced that climate change is caused mostly or entirely by humans compared to data from recent years, declining from 60% in 2018 to 49% this year. Americans are less convinced that climate change is caused mostly or entirely by humans compared to data from recent years, declining from 60% in 2018 to 49% this year.

Followed by the nutgraf:

Democrats and independents are becoming less convinced that climate change is caused mostly by humans, while Republican attitudes remain stable.

So, most of that 11 point drop is from Dems. (I'd already anecdotally seen that in comments on a Nate Silver Substack.

That said, I talked more about that before diving into Burge on my main blog, and I want to go more here than I did there about the religious vs secularist angle here.

Religion scholar Burge, both an academic and a congregational pastor, looked at this issue from a religion angle, based on recent Pew survey data. Christians of all stripes take climate change no more seriously than do non-Christians of other world religions. But, that's not the biggie. It is that religious people in general take it less seriously than agnostics and atheists. And, Religious Right smears aside, your average Democrat is about as likely to be religious, and almost as likely to be Christian, as your average Republican.

 

As you see, this difference is HUGE.

Forget about BlueAnon Democrats, or even Burge to some degree, trying to spin this as evangelicals vs others. (I commented multiple times there, posting a link to my main site blog post the last time, and identifying as secularist, with a graduate divinity degree, and also as non-duopoly leftist, and politely but firmly calling out Burge for what I saw as bad framing. No response.) 

By percentage points, the "all religions" vs "agnostics" gap is bigger than "evangelicals" vs "all other religious." And, related to that, it's also not Democrats vs Republicans, and forget about that spinnning too. It's secularists vs. religious. By degree of difference, on the "extremely serious," the separation between atheists and either "nones" or "world religions" is GREATER than that between evangelicals and non-evangelicals.

Burge runs the religious breakdown through the parties filter, and in this case, I don't think that's good framing. More to the point, I don't think it's "fair" framing. He uses "independent" to cover anything not D or R, first. Second, he doesn't do a by party (plus independents, even if separating them by political stance) breakout of religiosity. It's true that "nones" are more Democrat than Republican, but that's also not as much as some might think, and "nones" is a catch-all anyway. Pew looks at "belief in God," but also with the same three-way breakout of politics.

I know that Burge has limited data on politics and religion when Pew has only the standard three-way breakout. He had the choice of doing less extrapolative guesstimates than he did, given that.

That said, he does also look at age issues related to this. In all religious groups, the younger are more worried than the older about climate change — except atheists, where it's even across the board.

That said, here's where I go even further in this direction in my main blog.

So, why do other world religions take this no more seriously than Christianity? 

This is speculation, but here's my thought.

Part of it may be this is a religious consensus in America, and other world religions are going along with Christianity: god will deliver us.

Part of that, though, may be already held doctrine or metaphysics within the other world religions.

Orthodox and ultra-Orthodox Jews, broadly speaking, hold to some sort of quasi-armageddon ideas, even if not like the Jews of Qumran.

Islam also believes in a last judgement of some sort.

In both cases, per Isaiah as well as Revelation and words likely in the Quran, there will be a new heaven and a new earth. That said, the afterlife is pictured as in heaven/paradise, so a new earth doesn't matter anyway. Now, the more liberal-minded in these traditions, as with more liberal-minded Christians, may still preach the idea of "stewardship" not "dominion" over the current earth, but, believing in an afterlife, still don't have the same framing as secularists. (I use that term both because it identifies what I accept, not what others say I don't believe, and also because tens of millions if not hundreds of millions of Theravada Buddhists are also "atheist" by definition.)

And, with that, let's transition. 

Buddhism can ultimately preach the dogma of maya about climate change as part of maya about this world in general, especially suffering in this world. Yes, it can also talk about looking for Buddha-nature in every sentient being, such as, say, pika threatened with mountain-stranding species death by climate change. But, it's probably still maya at bottom.

Hinduism? A cyclical world. Eternal recurrence. So, climate change may be a problem now, but, in the long long term of Hindu eons? Nope.

That may be true of other religions, more "indigenous," of present or past that have similar ideas on the cyclical world of nature.

Modern New Ageism? Maybe the Marianne Williamsons of the world believe we just need to focus enough to "manifest" a world free of the worst of climate change. And, yes, cult of Marianne, as I've said on my main blog, she does believe, or has believed, in the idea of manifestation.

We secularists?

An issue like this is precisely why I became a leftist, not a liberal, when leaving the conservative Lutheranism, and conservative Lutheran socio-political mindset, of my upbringing as I was finishing up my seminary time.

THIS WORLD IS IT.

Period.

What else is there to say?

One final thing.

The "Nones."

Burge, and many others, in talking about the continued rise of the Nones, note correctly that most of them are the "spiritual but not religious types." In other words, they still have religious-type metaphysical beliefs. Also, many appear to be simply Christians without a denominational home. And, another piece by Burge shows that religiosity and spirituality track each other fairly closely. With all that in mind, that's background to why the climate issue shows why, at least on this political issue, the "rise of the Nones" is no big deal.

That said, the Nones, while once rising, plateaued during COVID; I haven't seen data since COVID went to endemic to see if that pause, or even slippage, has changed back to a renewed rise.

Wednesday, November 30, 2016

What is it like to be a chicken ... owned by Tyson?

The header before the ellipsis points, for those not getting it, is riffing on Nagel's famous essay "What is it Like to Be a Bat?"

The riff, and even more the portion after the ellipsis, is based on living in an area of the United States where chicken farming is a major employer and even more, is chicken processing, namely, by Tyson.

Seeing a flatbed semi loaded with chicken coops, all carrying a fluffy white bird headed to his or her demise, and the highway-speed wind effects ruffling feathers (yes, literally) more than enough to expose naked chicken flesh prompted me to start writing.

First, re Nagel. Yes, bats fly by echolocation. But, it doesn't work over long areas, so, "blind as a (hypersonic) bat" is more true than not, perhaps. Per Dan Dennett, the idea that this makes their "whatness" harder to discuss or picture than other animals of similar intelligence probably isn't true. That's even if we accept at least a "soft" version of qualia. (And, it's also Dennett finding an acorn in the forest.)

That said, and Tyson ownership aside, it's surely likely that it's easier to picture what it's like to be a bat than to be a chicken. Wild chickens probably aren't as smart as bats, and domestic ones are dumb — though perhaps not as dumb as domestic turkeys.

Chickens are less social than bats, or humans, too. And ... animal rights issues aside for now, surely have a lesser emotional palette.

Plus, given that the expression of both intellect and emotions occurs in reaction to environmental stimuli, that domestic chicken living on a 40,000-bird Tyson farm, most all of his or her life spent in a cage about the size of a kitchen trash can.

That is, per existentialism, "existing" and not "living."

It's even worse.

Humans who have been close to chicken farms know what the ammonia-like smell of chickenshit is like. Most humans probably assume that birds in general, with beaks not noses, may not have much of a sense of smell.

Well, new research shows that's wrong for birds in general and chickens in particular.

I don't care how many vent fans there are in a modern breeding house (without which, in hot Southern summers, the birds would die in 15 minutes). That shit has to smell shitty to a chicken, I would think.

 It's like being incarcerated. No, scratch that.

It IS being incarcerated. And, while a chicken isn't a human, it's closer, evolutionarily and culturally both, to a human than it is to, stay, a sea star. So, to some degree, it might be easier for humans — at least those who have spent time in jail — to understand what it's like to be a Tyson chicken than a bat.

Don't tell me that a Tyson chicken doesn't have its fair share, or far more than its fair share, of anxiety and other mental health issues. Don't tell me that, at some base level of instinct, it's not yearning for freedom.

At the same time, don't overread and over-project. That chicken has never experienced freedom, and doesn't fully know what it's like. For that matter, neither does a free-range chicken know freedom. It's free — and still highly protected until slaughter — on a carefully selected range.

On the other hand, contra the Michael Pollans of the world, artisanal Smithfield hog hams and true (not fake PR) free-range chickens aren't the answer, unless we all (1 percent as well as 99 percent, Michael) simply eat a LOT less meat.

We need to do that anyway, for other reasons, of course.

And, if we want anything above just grams of meat per day, and we want to reduce agricultural stress on our planet, we need to start rooting for Dutch scientists to make test-tube meat a success — a commercial and ecological success — as soon as possible.

The answer until then is ameliorating animal conditions on factory farms, even more for hogs and cows, likely more intelligent than chickens.

Tuesday, January 13, 2009

The Sage Grouse mourns Arne Naess

“Sage Grouse” is an alternative moniker suggested for me in a blog-posting exchange on High Country News, a nature-and-environment pun on “Socratic Gadfly.

Anyway, Norwegian philosopher Arne Naess, the creator of the idea of “deep ecology,” is is dead at 96.

Wednesday, August 09, 2006

Reflections on Redwoods beaches and fog

On of the places I camped while on vacation was in Redwoods National Park’s Nickel Creek primitive campground, less than 100 yards from the ocean, the night of Aug. 3. The glow of a late-night moon seen on that beach, along with a foggy sunrise the next morning, prompted the following extended haiku poem.



REDWOOD BEACHES

Redwood coastal beach
Is serene in moonlight glow
Peaceful, quiet night.

People sleep above
Lulled by crashing breaker roar
Sea-sound lullaby.

Morning comes anew
World wakens as sun rises
Reveals diff’rent beach.

The creamy breakers
Salmon-glow in early morn
With foggy sunlight.

Last-look lingering,
Loath to leave, a parting glance,
I hike up the hill.

Stop and shoulder-glance,
A last trinket of mem’ry
Turn back, trudge once more.

With mem’ry secured,
Painted, not photographic
The essence remains.

— August 8, 2006

Redwoods — trees of living history

The analogy with which I start this poem struck me in the face when I saw a downed redwood in Muir Woods National Monument Sunday.


REDWOOD HISTORY LESSON

Like a phonograph
Awaiting a needle for playback,
The trunks of fallen redwoods
Have music to play.

Of course, the needle is already there,
Attached to the living tree
The playback only has live stereo sound
When played live, or alive.

Please don’t cut the redwoods.
Living history is more than just a figure of speech.

— August 8, 2006