A seeming deliberate wrongness on James Talarico's belief system within larger America

Fresh off throwing secularists at least halfway under the bus and not looking very deeply at the roots of Hanukkah in a piece at the Observer last December, which I eviscerated, Texas Christian University professor David Brockman now writes that Democratic Senate nominee James Talarico is firmly within Presbyterian tradition.

And, let's get to the headline now in this expanded and sharpened version of my piece from my main site.

I can only, in terms of personal honesty, assume that Brockman's misframings, in making that above statement, are deliberate and willful, given his professional background. If not, and he's actually uninformed on the information I'm about to present, he has no business teaching at TCU. 

The first big fail is pretending that the Presbyterian Church USA is the only Presbyterian denomination in the United States, or such is how he leaves himself open to being seen as. Wrong. The PCUSA is the biggest, but even with setting aside splinter groups, it's far from the only one. Wiki has the details. It list the PCUSA at 1,045,000 members. The conservative Presbyterian Church in America, which split off from the southern half of the predecessor to the PCUSA, is at 400,000, or 40 percent of its size. Yet another split off the PCUSA, the ECO, has 125,000 members. The Evangelical Presbyterian Church split off the Northern Presbyterian predecessor to the PCUSA back in the 1980s and also is at 125K.

OK, adding up the three main conservative groups and you're at 650,000, or 65 percent of the PCUSA. So, we've got a fail by Brockman right there. Or a lie by hand-waving. That's right, Prof. Brockman.

Now, the big differences, per this site which does not list the ECO, but does have a 1930s splitoff from the northern Presbyterians, the Orthodox Presbyterian Church.

PCA is men-only pastors; ECO and EPC, that's an adiaphoron. All three non-PCUSA at the link believe in an inerrant bible. Homosexual acts are a sin. I'll presume the ECO has the same stances. Again, this is held by assorted Presbyterian groups 65 percent the size of Talarico's PCUSA.

Brockman claims Talarico is also within the mainline Protestant tradition. Wrong. While conservative Lutherans may not add up to 65 percent of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, they break 50 percent. Actually, they break 75 percent; I didn't realize, per Wiki, that ELCA membership has cratered in the last decade or so. (It's 55 percent, per Pew, if you talk about people who "affiliate with" the different wings.) The United Methodist Church, now entering the schism world, lost 25 percent of its US churches after its 2024 general conference.

It remains an open question as to whether the fundagelical or the librul branches of traditional mainline Protestant denominations are losing members faster, but neither one is making new adherents, whether formal members or even "affiliated with." That would be a modern version of "God-fearers" or something.

Brockman also is lying by omission in another way.

He nowhere discusses Talarico's claim that the Annunciation in Luke is about being pro-choice, which I have noted elsewhere is bullshit. Beyond political pandering, since abortion is not really discussed in either the Tanakh or the He Kaine Diatheke, it's theological pandering to boot.

Speaking of? 

The three non-PCUSA churches in my link, and I will venture the ECO as well, all consider abortion wrong.

Finally, near the top, Brockman talks about "MAGA Christians." Not all conservative Christians, Protestant or Catholic (strangely missing from Brockman's piece) are enamored of Donald Trump. Within Christianity, both political liberals and conservatives at times politicize their beliefs. 

Indeed, Brockman himself wrote a piece in 2018 about two North Texas evangelical pastors who are part of a movement breaking with MAGAts on immigration. 

Interestingly, per the "mush god" stereotype of librul Protestantism, he's a very easy grader and prof in general, per Rate MyProfessors. 

Look, Prof. Brockman, if you want to just say you're "chill" with Talarico from your personal religious perspective (he was at SMU before TCU, and says in one piece that he's "high church Episcopalian"), say so. Because Episcopal church property rules are largely similar to Catholic ones, Episcopalian splinter denominations don't really exist; you have splinter movements within, or people leaving the denomination.

But, don't think you can bamboozle all readers out in the wild like freshman college students in a 100-level class. 

In 2018, for the Observer, he wrote about Southern Baptists facing up to a denominational history of sexual abuse. Actually, the denouement on that was sweeping it under rug and forcing dissenters out of the denomination, as much as possible. The reality is that at this year's SBC convention, both of the candidates for president say the SBC does not have an abuse crisis.

We can't have an honest discussion of the role of religion in American life, and certainly not of the role of Christianity in American life, political and larger sociological life, if both duopoly parties are going to have intellectuals going tribalist. 

Otherwise, in all the non-Episcopal mainline Protestant denominations with both conservative and liberal wings, both wings are losing membership at about the same rate. So far, I think that the "nones" who are "spiritual but not religious" are mainly upset about conservative tribalism, but that could change. Among the agnostic and non-metaphysical, I will bet that, even outside of Gnu Atheism, there are others who, like me, call a pox on both tribalist houses already. 

No "book of Leviticus" eh?

Here's an interesting post from "The Amateur Exegete". about the The SBL (Society for Biblical Literature) Study Bible's Leviticus volume, noting that the Torah was put into five scrolls as is because of scroll length and that Leviticus, at least, doesn't stand out as a separate book.

I pull quote what Ben the Amateur has: 

Despite having its own title, there is really no “book” of Leviticus in any meaningful sense. Leviticus never existed as an independent literary or textual unit at any stage of its development or incorporation into biblical canon. The Pentateuch is not five independent books cobbled together but rather a single literary work presented in five volumes, the division having been based on the material limits of scroll technology. The essential continuity of Leviticus with what comes before and after is apparent from both a broad perspective and from a close reading. The very first words of the book, literally “He called to Moses,” lack an explicit subject in Hebrew; the English addition of “the LORD” is assumed from preceding verses at the end of Exodus. Who Moses is, where and when the events of Leviticus take place, what the nature and historical background of the relationship between Israel and its deity is – none of these are explained in Leviticus itself but are dependent on the story that has been told from the beginning of the Pentateuch to this point.

Interesting, per the author, no translation of Leviticus puts "The LORD" in square brackets at the start of Leviticus 1:1, not even the new RSV.

That said? Here's the end of Exodus 40:

34 Then the cloud covered the tent of meeting, and the glory of the Lord filled the tabernacle. 35 Moses was not able to enter the tent of meeting because the cloud settled upon it, and the glory of the Lord filled the tabernacle. 36 Whenever the cloud was taken up from the tabernacle, the Israelites would set out on each stage of their journey, 37 but if the cloud was not taken up, then they did not set out until the day that it was taken up. 38 For the cloud of the Lord was on the tabernacle by day, and fire was in the cloud[a] by night, before the eyes of all the house of Israel at each stage of their journey.

And, the start of Leviticus 1:

1 The Lord summoned Moses and spoke to him from the tent of meeting, saying, 2 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: When any of you bring an offering of livestock to the Lord, you shall bring your offering from the herd or from the flock.

There you are. It is a "flow" of sorts. 

I do think Baden overstates his case, though.

Genesis as seen today was presumably a separate unit. It stands separately, being pre-Egypt times except for the tail end. Only the Tesserateuch, to riff on Tatian, is really a single unit. (On biblical criticism, I still believe in some version of the old documentary hypothesis. I believe that there is a separate E source, and that it and J were written, revised, edited and updated in response to each other in a sort of scriptio continua, to riff on the Catholic, Orthodox and mainline Protestant lectionary term. There is of course no D material until Deuteronomy, and there, there's multiple D layers, with perhaps the earliest being what Moses Wilhelm Shapira found, per Idan Dershowitz. Or, Genesis, a "Triteuch" then Deuteronomy. See also Dershowitz and my take on the documentary hypothesis in general. And, per a 2009 book by him that's a revision of his PhD thesis, he appears to broadly agree with me.

On the matter at hand, I don't know if Baden addresses this, but the issue is WHY the Exodus-Leviticus division is where it is on modern scrolls. Exodus 35, after the second giving of the tablets of the Ten Divarim, gets to Yahweh's instructions for the tabernacle, the ark of the covenant and such. Breaking Exodus after chapter 34 and attaching the rest to Leviticus makes much more sense.  

Of nonexistent "womenpriests" and Christian Scientists

 Re the Amateur Exegete's May 24 piece, and as I commented at YouTube on the actual video, there IS no such thing as a "Roman Catholic womanpriest." There's women who want to be priests in the Roman Catholic church, but having wanting in one hand is like having shit in the other.

Yes, there is an organization that ordains such women, but such women are automatically excommunicated, like a dead man's switch, upon ordination. So, they're no longer Catholic.

And, of course, the interviewer, Shirley Paulson, asks the woman-not-priest about gnosis. AND? Beyond New Agey, which was my first guess? Shirley Paulson is a Christian Scientist.

And, this is yet another reason why, although I keep Ben on my blogroll to be reminded of, and cash in on, free ebooks, he's otherwise not very useful and not very critically minded. 

Adam Gopnik — a semi-fail on the historical Paul

 New piece by Adam Gopnik at the New Yorker. One takeaway early on:

A detailed story of Paul’s travels and mission, Acts is also generally agreed among scholars to be largely, if not entirely, fictionalized, containing an improbable number of shipwrecks and prison breaks and snakebites and other twists typical of Greek storytelling from the period.

While not expressly citing A.N. Sherwin-White, who noted in "Roman Society and Roman Law in the New Testament," that the "we" passages of Acts were essentially a literary trope from this type of Hellenestic "historical romance" or whatever we should call it, of the 1st-2nd centuries CE, this clearly reflects similar thinking. More here.

Second point he notes is the genuine letters of Paul fall on one side of the Jewish Revolt and Acts, along with everything else with the possible exception of a Baptizer-disciple core of Revelation, is on the other.  

Third, some of Paul's own rhetoric gets a reality check:

He became aware of the Jesus cult very shortly after its emergence, in the thirties C.E., and at first, by his own account, he “persecuted” the new faith—though, given how small the cult still must have been and how few public powers were available to Jews to enforce their prejudices, this was more likely persecution by argument than by torture.

Right. But why? And, if we identify this as a rhetorical trope, it spurs us to look carefully at other such tropes, ie, "Pharisee of Pharisees." 

But then Gopnik has a big fail:

The most remarkable thing that emerges from these texts is what you might call Paul’s emotional availability. He instructs, cajoles, gives shrewd advice—“be all things to all people” is his positive counsel on how to build coalitions—and sometimes engages in what certainly sounds like the hyper-cynical placation of opposing poles: cagily paying off that rival Jerusalem sect, warning against heretical influences, begging his far-off correspondents to avoid “splitting,” praising competitive apostles, and taking exasperated digs at obscure obstacles to his work, oddly personal in tone for one so inspired by the Lord. “Alexander the coppersmith,” he sighs at one point, “did me great harm.” Then Alexander and his copper disappear from the record.

We all know that 2 Timothy is not Pauline and is from the second century. So, Gopnik is not so well read on this subject after all. (There's no authorial caveats by Gopnik in this or surrounding paragraphs, and Gopnik frames it just as though Paul were the author.)

It then gets worse, when he compares Paul to Trotsky, leading him to this:

His mode of argumentation resembles nothing so much as Marxist dialectics, sinuously arguing from opposites and forcing a desired conclusion upon unobliging texts.

Uhh, the Stoic diatribe already existed, Adam. 

It sounds like what he is doing is Hegelian dialectic, with the thesis of Greek Paul, the late 20th century move to Hebrew Paul, leading to the synthesis of Hellenistic Paul. In reality, no such moves are needed. For starters, much of Jerusalem, let alone diaspora Judaism, was never implacably opposed to Athens.

One might think he recovered somewhat with the idea that Paul's letters were literary performance as much as anything, and perhaps weren't even actually sent. He notes Nina E. Livesey as a leader in reading a revisionist Paul, including with the idea that even the authentic letters are second century. It's an idea I reject, including the comparison with Seneca's letters, but it's interesting.

That said, what would that do to Marcion? Maybe Livesey postulates him as the author? Her book is here; one 1-star reviewer, speaking of that, says she's overly dependent on Markus Vinzent. It also has a Wiki piece. Per it, Jesus mythicists have lapped up her book. Shock me. Some even use it to support their claims of Paul mythicism.

Gopnik appears at least fairly open to the idea. I think he's wrong. 

The truth about Berenice, sister of Herod Agrippa II

 

As in the Berenice mentioned with him late in Acts.

Per Bruce Chilton, not only will you not find it in Acts (shock me), you also won't find it in Josephus.

First, background. Given Paul's accusation of taking goys into the Holy Place, when he said it was for Jews fulfilling a Nazirite vow, Chilton notes that a couple of years later, she completed her own such vow, complete with shorn hair. That was after Florus replaced Festus. He then notes it was Berenice, not Agrippa II, who appealed to Florus, head still shorn, at this point. Josephus will tell you that, as he'll later tell you that she started an affair with Titus, which drew the ire of later Roman historians such as Dio Cassius.

But, he'll also claim Berenice and Agrippa II had an incestuous relationship. That said, he attacks her morals, not his, in a mix of sexism and probably some sort of political triangulation.

Chilton later scores him on that issue.

This is part of a new book by Chilton. In a later paragraph, he explains why:

Part of the enjoyment of conducting research was that Berenice made an impact on Roman sources, and evaluating them made a break from the attention to Aramaic texts that has preoccupied me in recent years. Yet whether in Latin or in Greek, whether or not pagan, and whether Christian or Jewish, the ancient sources are palpably wary of Berenice. Acts is not the only writing that doesn’t let her come to voice. (Oddly, Luke in Acts 24:24 does not even mention that Drusilla, the wife of Festus’ predecessor Felix, was Berenice’s sister.) Other members of the Herodian dynasty were also controversial, Herod the Great most of all. But Herod had an apologist, Nicholas of Damascus, who permitted that vicious but effective king to come to voice in the pages of the Jewish historian Josephus. Berenice had no such defender, and Josephus—who might reasonably have taken her part—joined in the rumor that Berenice engaged in incest with her brother, Agrippa II (Antiquities 20 §§ 145-146). In regard to Berenice, Josephus showed himself more the partisan of Rome than he was the advocate of Judaism that he liked to pose as. Indeed, he becomes incoherent in his desire to please his Roman patrons, ridiculing Berenice as libidinous but extolling Agrippa II, her alleged sexual partner, as noble. A woman who provoked the pushback that Berenice received from so many quarters obviously deserves attention, and tracing antipathy to her is an education itself.

Indeed, she deserves more attention. 

That said, Chilton adds that Josephus' rumor may have started with Cynic critics in Rome, perhaps in an attempt to block a marriage to Titus. It worked, as most biblical and classical historians know. Titus dismissed her when he took the imperial throne. She died sometime not too long after his own death, it appears. He dismissed her once earlier, in the mid-70s, and may have intended to recall her again in a couple of years. 

That said, the last one-quarter of Acts is far more nonhistorical than Chilton mentions. I discuss that in much more detail. 

But I DID decide what to do on my most recent vacations

 This is a refutation of Massimo Pigliucci's most recent piece defending determinism, which I decided not to link to.

I pondered it a bit during my winter holidays vacation at the end of last year and start of this, and even more during spring vacation in March.

On the winter vacation, after it started, more than once, I decided to adjust where I would go, and when.

In March, based on weather, I first decided, before leaving home, to kill my original plan of going to Joshua Tree National Park, including the Sonoran Desert side, on day 1, moving day 2 up, and adjusting in other ways.

I decided to start my vacation here, on the Mother Road, then up to Mojave National Preserve, rather than going to Joshua Tree National Park. 

While that was weather dependent, other decisions made within this trip, like the winter vacations ones, were made after talking to and interacting with other people.

Massimo's version of determinism appears to be more than just a physicalism tautology that folks like Coel the slightly bonkers British astronomer and even more clearly, a chap handled as Disagreeable Me used to push on one of his longer-ago sites.

No, it appears to be something more strongly philosophical than that.

And per Johnson vs Berkeley, while I didn't kick an actual rock while on vacation, I still "refute it thus." Per Johnson, any stone I kicked was one I decided to kick. And, since Pigliucci has in the past largely rejected the idea of classical informal logical fallacies ... 

Quantum microeffects aside? Or maybe not aside, since we're arguing this from an entirely secularist, non-metaphysical angle?

First, while quantum mechanics is, generally, classical statistical mechanics all the way down, nonetheless, at a small enough scale just above the fuzzy borderline with the fully quantum world, a "butterfly effect" can indeed happen that is not classical statistical mechanics turtles all the way down.

On the organic, or semi-organic side, call it the "virus effect" instead of the "butterfly effect." A virus could actually get knocked slightly hither or yon, and perhaps infect in a slightly different way. 

That's all it takes.

I've long said I'm not a classic free willer. I've said that I support subconscious semi-free will. Subselves and more. I've cited Daniel Wegner and his "The Illusion of Conscious Will" many a time. Beyond the issue of subconscious free will, or unconscious free will, Wegner talks about how free will, if not an "affect," is similar to that. If we think, or maybe rather believe that we're freely willing something, we have a higher emotional investment in the idea of free will in general and also in the particular matter at hand. (I also think Wegner's idea is compatible with my idea of "psychological constraint," which is that our "working space" for freedom of action is psychologically constrained by past life events, especially traumatic ones.) 

Tying this with Dan Dennett and his ideas on consciousness? (I reject his ideas on compatibilist free will.) I don't think "subselves" and "multiple drafts" are incompatible. I think that certain subselves, on a subselves-based version of consciousness, can be seen as more "core" and more stable than others, and therefore more likely to rise to the top of the "drafts." These more stable subselves have more of a "commitment" to the quasi-affect idea that they're causing something.

I don't have to prove my version of free will right. 

All I have to do is show determinism wrong.

Now, in a sense, per Schrödinger, referencing the observer effect, I can't truly do that on quantum effect. But, I've laid the mental framework for that.

Determinism suffers another flaw, this one on the psychological side, for secularists.

I think it remains tainted with Deist ideas of the god who winds up the world like clockwork. David Hume, not Boswell, has refuted that one. 

And, to riff on Wegner, if a quantum butterfly effect means that another person's actions leading up to my interaction with them can't be determined, then the emotional affect of the perception of free will at the moment of that action certainly can't be determined.

Beyond that, modern cosmology and its Big Bang say that ideas of determinism, like general relativity, must yield to the quantum frontier. 

I think Pigliucci's neo-Stoicism, to go beyond Enlightenment empiricism, has influenced him on this one. It's the same idea is Deism, though: a "Logos" put it all in order.

To riff on Hellenistic philosophy in response? Massimo doesn't need to read Stephen Greenblatt to know to take a page from Epicurus.

Or, take a page from Laplace, instead of either Johnson or Epicurus? I do, and I say of determinism that I have no need for that hypothesis. And, as an invocation of Ockham's Razor, at least in part, it's not a logical fallacy.

Beyond the quantum mechanics basics, there's the question, per Einstein's "the old one doesn't play dice," as to whether Heisenberg's Uncertainty Theorum is something that's merely a human limit, or an actual graininess of the universe. Einstein certainly saw it as the latter, as do most modern interpretations of QM, whether they invoke Schrödingerian "collapses of eigenstates" or not. (He smoked too much Gita and his cat stacks the deck. See here.)

Even if just a human limitation, it is such. We can't "measure in" a precision in actions in the world to say "Voila, determinism!" 

So, unless Massimo and other philosophers supporting determinism can top Einstein and offer up the philosophy version of a GUT? No, again, determinism doesn't work. And, remember, if you're a methodological materialist, a scientific naturalist, you can't pluck H. sapiens out of the rest of the world. If determinism fails somewhere else, it fails for human volition. 

And beyond THAT, Massimo himself seemingly fails to square the circle, within his neo-Stoicism, in this Big Think piece, referring back to Epictetus: 

In a sense, Epictetus is saying that only one thing is truly up to us: our deliberate, conscious judgments. If you think about it, our intentions to act or not are the result of our preliminary judgments about things, and our values and disvalues are also forms of judgments.

If they're in my control, and if they're "up to me," the individual version of "up to us," then they're not determined. And, if Massimo, or someone else, claims that my control is itself determined, and therefore actually an illusion? At that point, we're at a determinism equivalent of why Aristotle's prime mover or first cause argument for the existence of a god falls apart, or so I see it.

A few other points.

First, as I said in my initial shorter callout of Little Bobby Sapolsky, this is not a dichotomy. The lack of conscious free will (which is not what I am claiming, anyway, nor defending against, either) does not by default imply determinism. I think Massimo is better than that. I am charitably assuming he is.

Second, per my 10,000 word detailed callout of Sapolsky, I am sure that Massimo is not committing a category mistake. Sapolsky did, in the detailed, precise philosophical sense. His real issue was ethics, and what's really discussing is moral realism, not determinism, in much of his book. That said, per the snarky header, I chose to kill Little Bobby.

Third, the exact moment of willing action X is fleeting. No doubt about it. It's as fleeting as Hume's famous attempts to apprehend his self, noted here:

For my part, when I enter most intimately into what I call myself that is, when I introspectively reflect on what’s present to my mind, I always stumble upon some particular perception or other, of heat or cold, light or shade, love or hatred, pain or pleasure. I never can catch myself at any time without a perception, and never can observe any thing but the perception. ... If any one, upon serious and unprejudiced reflection, thinks he has a different notion of himself, I must confess I can reason no longer with him. All I can allow him is, that he may be in the right as well as I, and that we are essentially different in this particular.

And, do you reject the idea of selfhood, of consciousness, just because you can't pin it down? No, no more than you reject the existence of a quark for that reason, to tie this back to the quantum world. And, so, because a moment of willing can not be tied down, whether or not we actually act before we decide to act, per Libet, also referenced in the link above, doesn't mean that the whole idea should be rejected. (Per that link, I don't see the Libet experiments as supporting determinism.)

To claim that IS the case is to be in the nutbar world of Alex Rosenberg, whom I know Massimo has, or has had, little use for. Maybe that's changed, though; maybe he thinks Hume's bundle theory supports determinism. 

Hume's bundle theory may not be totally right, but it's certainly not all wet.  

Two more notes.

One, per the end of this piece? Even if current conceptions of free will are not right, that does NOT mean that determinism is the default option. 

Second, riffing on me saying "mu," time after time after time, to the old issue, the old chestnut, of "free will VERSUS determinism," if we think in terms of gradations, we avoid polarities. 

Revisiting the "god-fearers" of early Christianity

An excellent piece by Thomas A. Robinson at the University of Arizona's Biblical Interpretation website, an underutilized source for biblical criticism.

Thesis is stated right at the top:

The widely accepted “god-fearer” thesis rests on weak foundations: the ancient terms are not clear technical labels, the evidence is sparse and often overstretched, and the model relies too heavily on assumptions about synagogue-associated Gentiles supposedly primed for Christian conversion. Early Christianity did not require a large class of literate, well-connected god-fearers to explain its growth, and this thesis has significantly shaped, and likely distorted, modern reconstructions of the movement’s origins, membership, and leadership.

Followed by five main points, all apparently taken from a book he wrote on the subject last year. 

The first point delves deeper into the "labeling" issue, looking at the two most common terms, and how and where in Greek they were used in the Septuagint. He concludes that by noting, while "god-fearer" is technically correct, whether as a dynamic translation we should even use that.

Second point? He says there's little evidence of the phenomenon from Jewish, Christian or pagan literature.

Third? He references the "Christianizing" of the Septuagint — including an overreading of how much, vs how little, Paul directly uses it, as a veil of sorts (my idea, riffing on Paul talking about the veil of Moses and analogizing from it) over clearer understanding of the LXX on this issue. He notes that the vast majority of the population was illiterate and so had no familiarity with it anyway.

Fourth point plays off the third and gets directly to Jewish vs Christian interpretations of the phenomenon, and larger Christian vs Jewish differences. He says, or indicated, there's a lot of assumptions at work here that have little standing. One is that Christianity would have been perceived as the only option for any actual god-fearers when a Christian preacher showed up. Another is whether, or not, circumcision was a real hurdle. Third is that conversion to a tiny cult would likely have been offset by a loss of Jewish friendships.

Fifth is the question of how long any significant body of god-fearers were around as a potential tool of converts.

Finally, his conclusion starts with this:

Almost every detail of popular and scholarly reconstructions of early Christianity is affected by the god-fearer thesis, from an emphasis on the economic, social, and intellectual resources of its membership and leadership, to its urban (and urbane) character, and its Jewish-tutored background. Such focus on god-fearers as a vital component in the early Christian movement tends to overlook how flimsy the evidence for god-fearers is and how unnecessary the god-fearers are to the developing Christian movement.

Give the whole thing a read. It's worth it.

Assuming he's right, this means that large swathes of Christianity would have been of a fully Hellenized, or Hellenized/Syriacized (sic) nature by no later than, say, the time of Marcion if not a full generation earlier, without "godfearer" intermediaries. OR, it means, given that we have moved well beyond Josephus on varieties of Judaism, that even more of Christian metaphysic than we have thought has Jewish roots. This, in turn, has implications for Christian development of Christology and related matters.