Arguing facts about historical atheists with Gnu Atheists on social media

 Two weeks ago, I talked about the "fun" of arguing biblical interpretation with the Religious Right on Twitter.

Now, a flip side.

The background? Esha, who is one of "those people" — a DSA Rosey, still planted inside the Dem Party, but who stans for people like Uncle Joe — Stalin, not Biden. 

I called out a tweet via a podcast that she participates in:

Bullshit. The claim that the SPD put Hitler in power is like Democrats claiming that a Green vote is a vote for Trump. Guess you're as fucking tribalist as a Democrat.

— Again: Fuck Jesse Ventura & his lying cult 🚩🌻 (@AFCC_Esq) September 18, 2020

Then someone butted in:

hitler wasn't an atheist, get a clue.

— Skeptical AL (@Realist_Dragon) September 18, 2020

Wrong:

Ahh, no, you need a clue. As with Stalin and seminaries, the fact that Hitler was raised Catholic means nothing about his adulthood. Also, contra Himmler, Rosenberg et al, Hitler didn't believe in neopaganism, either.

— Again: Fuck Jesse Ventura & his lying cult 🚩🌻 (@AFCC_Esq) September 18, 2020

But that didn't stop him:

look stupid, hitler banned atheism, every german solider has "god is with us" on their belt, hitler continued his tithes to the catholic church, Hitler was a monster, insane, but not an atheist.

— Skeptical AL (@Realist_Dragon) September 18, 2020

And I noted:

Look, bozo, if you want to go there.
1. Atheists can co-opt religion. Look at Stalin opening the churches back up as Hitler drove on Moscow.
2. Gott Mit Uns was on the buckles of Prussian and Second Reich troops.

— Again: Fuck Jesse Ventura & his lying cult 🚩🌻 (@AFCC_Esq) September 18, 2020

(Update: I didn't even think about it until now, as prompted by a new Lincoln biography. American coinage says "in God we trust," but contra wingnuts, that doesn't make us a Christian nation.)

But that didn't stop him either:

no, you look bozi, Hitler practiced "positive christianity" maybe get off your ass and research.

— Skeptical AL (@Realist_Dragon) September 18, 2020

Followed by:

it was also on german buckles and all ss officers had to be christian.

— Skeptical AL (@Realist_Dragon) September 18, 2020

At this point, to me, it seemed clear he wasn't reading what I was saying and didn't care to. As I pointed out, SS officers were actually required to deny religious beliefs. Troops still identified as such, and big fucking deal, because:

it was also on german buckles and all ss officers had to be christian.

— Skeptical AL (@Realist_Dragon) September 18, 2020

At this point, to me, it seemed clear he wasn't reading what I was saying and didn't care to. First, re positive Xianity?

I know what "positive Xianity" is and I've already read about Hitler's religious views. If one wants to technically call him not an athiest, then his was the Nietzschean religion of the übermensch, with himself in starring role.

— Again: Fuck Jesse Ventura & his lying cult 🚩🌻 (@AFCC_Esq) September 18, 2020

Related to that? Joseph Goebbels' own words:

>>The Goebbels Diaries also remark on this policy. Goebbels wrote on 29 April 1941 that though Hitler was "a fierce opponent" of the Vatican and Christianity, "he forbids me to leave the church. For tactical reasons."<<

There. Research.

NOTE the "for tactical reasons."

— Again: Fuck Jesse Ventura & his lying cult 🚩🌻 (@AFCC_Esq) September 18, 2020

And topped by this:

The Wiki link has a footnote to a book. I know limits AND usefulness of Wikipedia.
Nice motivated reasoning.
Another Wiki entry notes they were required to "List themselves" as Xn.https://t.co/tgi7Ze8CtX
Big fucking deal.
At one time, there was no "athest" on US dog tags, either

— Again: Fuck Jesse Ventura & his lying cult 🚩🌻 (@AFCC_Esq) September 18, 2020

They stopped responding at that point. The reality, per pieces at Wiki and elsewhere, is that Hitler's official personal religious affiliations as an adult aside, he walked, talked and quacked like an atheist, unless per tweet above, Nietzscheanism übermenschen are considered gods within a religion. He rejected Christianity and laughed at Himmler and Rosenberg's neopaganism. Period. The closest I would allow to him not being an atheist is that he was perhaps, metaphysically, some sort of deistic pantheist. Even that is a perhaps. His private-life attacks on atheism seem to be attacks on something that wouldn't allow for the greatness of German blut. Or, even more likely, that as with post-WWII Americans, "godless" and "Communism" were always in the same sentence for Hitler.

Positive Christianity? As it rejects Trinitarianism, plus historical elements of Christian origins, it's not Christian. Claiming that it is, is laughable, especially its misinterpretation of the human Jesus as a crusader against Judaism.

And, Esha as a Rosey who stans for Stalin?